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Zibon Wakboj's avatar

I would find it helpful if someone would clarify the distinction of "class" as used here versus "socioeconomic class identity". I sense that "class" as used here is referring to roles in oppressive structures distinct from socioeconomic class identity. But as I understand it, socioeconomic class identity arises from and supports the oppressive structure and, at the same time, inherently reflects oppressive positions, making it easy to conflate identity with "class". Please help.

Jae Rose's avatar

Class in the Marxist tradition is defined as: A group of people sharing common relations to labor and the means of production.

https://www.marxists.org/glossary/terms/c/l.htm

Zibon Wakboj's avatar

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EggDropSoupNews's avatar

This was excellent; thank you for sharing. I especially appreciate the thought you gave to action--not just talking about doing something, but recommendations on how we can do something.

Jae Rose's avatar

Appreciate that! We have to share practical tips along with some of the theoretical stuff going on.

KEN's avatar

this was really informative to put into perspective the ways in which fragmentation lends itself to every aspect of capitalist society. working class people are conditioned to dislike other working class people for their identities, and so many leftists (me included) would just see their bigotry and insensitivity as a personal problem and a sign of that person's lack of morals, not understanding that the REASON they are insensitive is our collective indoctrination. we're actually just feeding more into the fragmentation by seeing people who don't know better as disposable. amazing piece!!

Bargain-bin Seldon's avatar

High-signal stuff. You've correctly identified the software bug in the Leftist operating system, as the false binary between Identity and Class.

However, I must offer a warning: The powerful engine of Solidarity does nothing if the vehicle is already on a crash trajectory.

History is littered with righteous movements that successfully seized power, only to become the monsters they fought. Not because they were bad people, but because they ignored the topology of the system.

The flaw in these systems is that the procedure is rigid, a monolithic design that ignores the feedback from reality, the oppression felt by any given Identity.

My view of an architectural fix is a collaborative network of sensors, the pain of Black women, disabled workers, and trans people needs to be a signal that is forcibly carried up the spine of our society, and used to debug and calibrate the procedure.

I call that Structural Humility. It's paranoid attention to lived reality. Combined with the moral clarity you exhibit, it safeguards the righteous from the monstrosity of the system.

Anna Papalexiou's avatar

Great analysis. When you discuss representation politics, I wonder whether it also intersects with—or even facilitates—neoliberal feminism. I’m thinking specifically of how “empowerment” has been marketed in recent years as a path to autonomy, yet often results in increased individualization and consumerism. In this framework, collectivism (which I see as a core principle of feminism) largely disappears. Instead, the focus shifts toward self-optimization and productivity in service of a capitalist system, all while sustaining the illusion that we are “breaking glass ceilings.”

Jack WAUGH's avatar

What is "transphobia"?

Jae Rose's avatar

Per the merriam-Webster definition: discrimination against, aversion to, or fear of transgender people.

Jack WAUGH's avatar

Which people are those?

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Jae Rose's avatar

Precisely! You said it very well. A divided working class is easier to exploit and control.